decided to brush up my embedded programing.
got myself a PIC programmer and away we go.
some things to note if you are using windows 8 some of the older second hand programmers are not supported after borrowing a few settled on Pickit 2 which currently works on windows 8.
pull down PGM pin if not using low voltage programing may damage chip
and you can clear code protection but only by a complete over write.
more to follow...